Are some women superbreeders?

Posted on Wednesday, September 09, 2009 8:26 PM PT
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By Diane Mapes, contributing writer

When Arkansas mom and reality TV star Michelle Duggar announced on the Today show Sept. 1 that she was pregnant with her 19th child, millions of Americans expressed joy and amazement. 

But others – undoubtedly the queasiest of the bunch – were a bit uneasy. How could one woman – or rather, one uterus – bear so many children? Isn’t that, well, stretching things a bit?

Not necessarily, experts say.

“The uterus is a remarkably flexible organ,” says Dr. Florence P. Haseltine, ob/gyn and founder of the Society for Women’s Health Research in Alexandria, Va. “It can grow rather rapidly and it can recede rather rapidly. It’s able to reconstruct itself and reconfigure itself quickly.”

Image: Michelle Duggar and family
Beth Hall / AP
Michelle Duggar is surrounded by her children and husband Jim Bob, third from right, while she holds her newborn daughter, Jennifer Danielle, the couple's 17th child, on Aug. 2, 2007, in Rogers, Ark.

Haseltine says she understands how people would be amazed that one uterus could carry and deliver so many children – especially in a day and age when the average number of births per female is 2.12 – but it’s a misconception to think that giving birth to 18 or 19 children is overtaxing the organ’s ability.

“The sense is ‘My goodness, I get physically tired just thinking about it, so therefore the uterus would be tired,’ but that’s not necessarily true,” she says. “I don’t believe a uterus gets tired. If it had damage as a result of a specific pregnancy, it might cause trouble. But it doesn’t make any physiological sense why one should worry about the uterus.”

Thanks to the wonders of reality TV – the family has their own show entitled “18 Kids & Counting!” on TLC – keeping track of Michelle Duggars’ uterus has become sort of a national pastime. According to the family Web site, the couple married in 1984 and had their first child four years later. Since then, Michelle Duggar has given birth to an additional 17 children, including two sets of twins. Three of the births have been via Caesarean section; the others have been vaginal. She and her husband, Jim Bob, are currently expecting their 19th child (as well as their first grandchild).

While experts say good health plays a major role in any woman’s ability to conceive, carry and deliver children, particularly multiple children, good genes are crucial, too.

“Everyone is different in their health, and with some women it takes more of a toll,” says Dr. Karen V. Wells, an ob/gyn at the Center for Women’s Health at Evergreen Hospital in Kirkland, Wash. “And women have different muscle tone in their uterus. Some people get saggier and baggier earlier on and some people have good tone to their tissue. It has to do with our individual makeup, our collagen, our elastic fibers, our genetics. I know someone who after just two children had to have her bladder resupported. Other people seem to do fine. Obviously Mrs. Duggar is a very healthy woman and her body is handling it well.”

Not that there aren’t concerns and complications when it comes to multiple pregnancies or “grand multips,” as they’re known. After delivering five or six children, women are more prone to post-partum bleeding or hemorrhaging. The risk for toxemia and preeclampsia also increases. Anemia can also be a concern.

“There’s a continuous leeching of calcium and iron, the supplemental building blocks that babies need,” says Dr. Peter Wall of Eastside Maternal Fetal Medicine in Kirkland, Wash. “After having many children, chronic anemia or osteopenia – weak bones – could be a chronic risk. Also carrying children does increase the risk of incontinence, but even women who haven’t had children have incontinence.”

And having lots of kids has health benefits, too, Wall is quick to point out.

“We know that having many kids protects from breast cancer and ovarian cancer,” he says.

Labor, also, becomes shorter the more deliveries a woman has, although it doesn’t necessarily become easier.

“The duration of labor is shortened, but that doesn’t automatically translate into easier,” he says. “You’ve been down that road before. The ability to cope with labor is probably better when you’re naïve and 18.”

According to the National Center for Health Statistics, the average number of births per female has gone up and down over the years, from 3.33 in 1917 to 2.17 in 1937 to 3.68 in 1957 to 1.77 in 1975. National averages aside, though, there have always been “supermoms,” from Queen Victoria and Rose Kennedy who both had nine children to Mrs. Feodor Vassilyev, a Russian peasant who made the Guinness Book of World Records by giving birth to a total of 69 children, including 16 pairs of twins, seven sets of triplets and four sets of quadruplets.

Today, the average woman has about 2.12 children, although if desired, any woman could try for supermom status. The trick is to avoid contraception, be exceptionally fertile and be up for the challenge, says Wells.

“Having that many children isn’t an oddity,” she says. “I look back at my own family history and my great-grandmother had 10 children and five survived. The fact is most people don’t want that many children today.”

Those who do want lots of babies are encouraged to space their pregnancies out by at least 18 months, says Wall.  And to keep in mind that some women are simply more adept at baby-making than others.

“This woman has some remarkable capabilities,” he says. “I think this is her special talent.”

Comments

How old is this lady? Thanks to TV, they now can afford all their kids. CRAZY!!
Sounds like B.S. to me.  I've read alternative medical info regarding things like urine leakage, flatulence and other bad outcomes of numerous births.  And although these matters aren't specifically related to the uterus, some women get cosmetic surgery to "tighten up" the vagina or "lift" droopy lips.

No way!  Two kids are enough to replace a woman and her man when they die.  You're crazy if you go for more, and it costs taxpayers a fortune.
I have yet to hear about a huge family that also comes from wealth.
"Her special talent" - give me a break! She has gotten pregnant a lot - whoopie. I don't consider myself "queasy or squemish" but I do think it seems a bit irresponsible to have so many children. There are so many things to consider when having a child - money for food, clothing, shelter, medicine, medical/dental insurance and college (just to name a few). Then there is the time spent with your parents getting to know them one on one, the attention that each child craves to feel that they have value and the space they need to grow into themselves. It seems selfish to not consider all this before having a child.  Maybe the Duggars really did think about all these things but with the way things are going for the rest of the country and the world it feels more likely that they didn't. I sincerely wish them well and I hope their show goes on because I can't imagine how they will make it if it flops.
I have 5 healthy intellegent children, age 31 to 19. 2 boys 3 girls, a few more than average.  They have always worked as a group, are very tight knit and I believe well ajusted socially. They're well rounded productive members of society probably because they have each other and I still have the 4 youngest at home. Helping with cooking, cleaning, yardwork and they're all a blessing! My health? Amazing! I'm much better preserved than some of my younger friends! And lots more stamina, may be hereditary may be from keeping up with the kids.  I had the 1st at 21 and the last at 33.
Best wishes to the Duggars! I don't have a large family myself, but believe that if someone wants one, and can afford to support their children, then they should do as they feel inclined.  You will certainly be in our prayers.
The key here to remember is that just because Michelle Duggar and her family have 18 kids, going on 19, doesn't mean that's right for every family.  It's more than just can she do it--had it not been for their TV show and other book deals--because they are a novelty of sorts--would they be able to support all of these kids?  Think about this carefully.  Yay for them, wish them luck.  But I've found too often women/couples who choose to have six or more kids think they're better than anyone else and that the rest of us who stick with the two we can afford to raise are "selfish".  I prefer RESPONSIBLE.
How many of these "super-breeder" moms actually support their families themselves (without help from government, corporations, tv networks, etc)?
OK, so the uterus can pump out dozens of kids...
that does not mean everybody should be doing it. When the resources of this planet are running out and people are desparate for food, water and other basics...nobody's gonna give a damn about the elasticity of a uterus.
I'm offended by this woman.  Having 19 children is an "act" of selfishness.  How many resources will her children and their descendants consume in the coming generations?!
I do not understand why we are giving so much attention and praise to a family that has a "talent" to produce children. Just because you can have that many children does not mean that you should. It borders on social irresponsibility. The fact is one child consumes 1oo% of a parent's time, emotional and physical energy. Parents with this many children rely on their own children to help raise younger siblings. This family is no different as evident on their show. This should not be praised. Children should not be providing care for children, that is the parent's job.  The real talent lies in a parent’s ability to love, support and nurture their children. There is no talent in a women’s ability to produce multiple children. Furthermore the motivation to have this many children should be questioned. Whose need is being satisfied? This seems more like an addictive behavior more than the behavior of a parent that is selfless; full of love and has given a great amount of consideration of the impact that bringing a child into this world will have.
Good for them if a huge family is what they want. The kids are well behaved and the family isn't on the welfare doles. I don't foresee the kids being anything other than productive members of society.Rather refreshing from the families with generations on welfare and can't seem to keep the kids off drugs or out of prison.
This outrageous. Our planet can't adequately support the population it has now. Evidently, this husband and wife aren't thinking of the limited resources that will be further taxed by their selfishness.
"This woman has some remarkable capabilities.  I think it is her special talent."  That is a pitiful thing to say about a woman; that she's a baby maker.  

However, having that many babies is child abuse.  You simply can not give each child as much attention each day as they deserve and need.  There are not that many hours in the day.  

Women used to have more in certain parts of the world because they knew that many would not survive childhood.  We no longer have this problem in America.  The woman in the article who said her grandmother had 10 proved this by also saying only half of them survived.

Additionally, we have overpopulation in the world.  If the population continues in this direction, we won't have enough food to sustain everyone.  The needs of the many outweigh the wants of the few.  
Maybe her body can handle it but how about the planet?  The resources needed by a family of 21, no matter how environmentally conscious they may try to be, are overwhelming.  Not to mention financially - I know this family claims to be self-sufficient, but could they be without the voyeurs who are their viewers?  Personally I can't stand the show with its white-washed version of family life.
This is THE best article I have seen on the web concerning this topic.Most are fueled by disgust and sarcasm,but your's is filled with historical facts. And I for one, appreciate a well written and thoroughly researched news report.Thank you!
Are some women overpopulators?  Seriously.  If you feel the need to produce that many children, you might want to consult with a mental health expert to determine why you have that need, and what the implications will be for those children.
Why are they only concerned with her uterus?  How misleading is it that a discussion of the health of women having litters of children only talks about one organ?  What about the toll it takes on every other major organ in her body?  Anyone who has ever gone through even one pregnancy knows that it is taxing on all your body, not just your uterus.
You'd think Michelle and Jim Bob would eventually figure out what was causing this problem and do something to stop it...
The Duggars appear to be a very nice family with lovely children, but I certainly hope that they are not passing along some genetic disease or anomaly to that many children.  To me, that's the risk of having so many children.
I think it is sick!  Behaving and having offspring like some stuck in heat dog!
I like that she kno wat she want in life i would love to have kids someday.
This is disgusting. The world is overpopulated and having babies just to have babies is ignorance. I don't care if everyone thinks the Dad can support them. They are going to use precious resources that the country needs. We already have certain groups of people making more babies than the taxpayer can afford.
Uterus hell, how are her boobs and back doing?
First of all adding to this already overpopulated planet is not a talent!! Second it's important to present all the facts anyone over thirty-five is considered a risky pregnancy by doctors. Third there are repercussion for having this many children. I’m sorry I don’t consider stupidly a gift!
I have cows that have a calf every year, and dogs that have multiple births regularly.  Nothing special about them, but humans should have more sense!!!  It is every families own business how many children they have, but the quality of life for the kids should be considered and the ability to raise those kids financially.  
LMAOOOOOOO, Isn’t that, well, "stretching" things a bit?, i guess you could say that, but ,hey, if it don't stretch you don get, think about it
I have had 2 children, which are grown now.  My
grandmother had 16 children, 5 sets of twins.  She
raised only 5 of all the births.  I think it is
great for the Duggar's to want and had so many
children.  God Bless them!
While I don't think there's anything wrong with having as many children as you like, so long as you can support them without outside help, I still found this article offensive.  "Supermom"?  "Special talent"?  Getting knocked up is not a talent, and just because you can, doesn't mean you should.  Most of us don't care how elastic anyone's uterus is-it's not something I lie awake at night wishing I could accomplish.  Just out of curiosity, given the current health care debate, who pays for mom and baby's care?  Is it perhaps the rest of the folks in the health care pool?  I've seen smokers and the obese villified for their "selfishness" in not making the "right" choices for their health.  My guess is that birthing and caring for 19 children costs a lot more money.
This is a wonderful family.  Becoming pregnant and giving birth is natural and a gift from God, the way things were meant to be.  Jim Bob has income enough to provide for his children. Michelle is a great mom and teacher.  The children are all happy and healthy.  Let's wish them well.
Actually GK, The Duggars support themselves without any help from the government or even credit, yes that's right they dont have any debt. They lived in a small house and saved up to just within the last few years move into a larger home that they paid cash for. Not everyone is looking for a handout!
Maybe they should have separate bedrooms???  Guess they believe in going for forth and multiplying.  And since when do we need to have 19+ children?  Are we working the farm?  Are the children dying of disease/malnutrition?  While every child is a blessing, having children to have children is irresponsible.  Time to tie some tubes.
Why do you feel this family is "irresponsible" to have this many children?  What is it hurting you?  I too cringe at the thought that being a baby factory is a talent, but that doesn't mean what they are doing is wrong and irresponsible.  These people are not on welfare, they support themselves and have no debt.  The children are well-behaved, polite, moral people.  I am not a fan of the show but I have watched it once and you can see the love in that family.  As far as resources being used, ARE YOU KIDDING ME?  Welfare mom with 5 kids is much worse than these people!
Agreed, sick.  We have a population problem as it is.  I can't stand that show.
I personally dont understand it.  You can not give 100% to all of those children, you just dont have time..I have 1 and work and it is a tough balance...they may love these kids a ton but there is no way they can Mother & Father all of them.  It is utterly selfish,just my opinion
I think it's selfish and sick.  We are killing our planet with overpopulation and on top of that, these people are ignorant religious whack-jobs.  Yeah their kids are obedient little robots, but, they are also kept in stifling ignorant emotional slavery.  
Over breeders. Years ago, couples had many children because they knew that some children would pass away from many causes. I sure hope the Duggars have a good health plan and a large life insurance policy. I wonder who they, or other overbreeders,are  thinking of when they produce so many. Maybe it's a rabbit mentality.
by all means have more kids.....there's not enough people in the world as it is.......
Why are people so infuriated by large, loving, productive families?  I used to believe the myths of overpopulation too.  (I even wrote papers about in college.) But then I read startling evidence that the threat of UNDERPOPULATION is much worse.  I encourage everyone to research the current underpopulation crisis that is unfolding in Europe.
How dare anyone call these people irresponsible! The Duggars are responsible, God-loving, wonderful parents who are teaching their children good morals and reponsiblity to themselves and others. God bless them and God be with them.
Special talent? Give me a break! So she's fertile(no talent there!)What digusts me is the fact that they are reaping the financial benefits of a reality tv show. I have never seen and will never watch it as I will never help to support them financially(and don't kid yourself, those of you that watch are doing just that!).
OMG...when is enough enough...She needs pshcyological help and so does her husband
I am greatly comforted by the fact that many readers share my feelings that these parents are selfish for having so many children.  I am so sick of this family being glorified on the "Today" show, where every impending birth (of child or grandchild) is heralded like it's some marvelous thing.  It isn't marvelous at all--it is a burden on our society and on the planet.  I am thankful that there aren't more women with a uterus this "talented"...imagine what trouble we'd be in if the average American family had 19 kids!  If they want more kids, take a page from the Jolie-Pitt handbook and adopt some children...provide kids who are already here on earth with a chance at a better life.  You don't have to be millionaires to do that.
Most of these posts are ridiculous! Talk about selfish!  I am one of 8 kids (back in the day when children were wanted) and LOVED being part of a big family. As for using all of the resources of the planet (give me a break), they can just use the one's that all of the self centered people who only had 1 or 2 kids didn't use!
Most of these posts are ridiculous! Talk about selfish!  I am one of 8 kids (back in the day when children were wanted) and LOVED being part of a big family. As for using all of the resources of the planet (give me a break), they can just use the one's that all of the self centered people who only had 1 or 2 kids didn't use!
I think anyone who has a family of 19 children is foolish.  How can you even find time to make babies with that many children in the home?  It makes me sick to think about how much energy, food and resources are consumed to run the household.  
I just think is unfair to the other kids. If anyone has seen the show you can see that Michelle is not taking care of the kids the oldest ones are,they take care of the cooking and cleaning. And course there is that little thing about Jim Bob saying that his daughters are not allow to go to college, His sons are but the girls aren't.
I've learned from my research that Jim Bob and Michelle were supporting their family from the beginning without government or other help.  If they have the stamina and know-how to run businesses and make enough money to support all these children, why should others be concerned?
They've worked hard and, from all appearances, have done a fine job raising these children to be contributing members of the family and of society.
There is nothing wrong with children learning to be responsible and that the planet does not revolve around them.  I suspect that these children feel more loved and cared for than many others in our society from much smaller families.
It is clear that the Duggars have chosen to make family a priority.
Seriously, this one family and their choice to have multiple children is not going to make or break our planets future.
To each their own
This family is debt free and were debt free before the show started.  The majority of American's can't say that and most of us only have 1-3 kids.  As long as someone is not on welfare, let them have as many kids as they like and can support.  How about we issue some sarcasm to those on welfare that have kids and no intention of getting off of it.  
My family and I will be praying for the Duggars and their new arrival.
Some people are such bad parents and so irresponsible that them having one child is a burden on our society.  This family, from what I've seen, has done a remarkable job raising their children to kind, responsible, and hard working people. I would rather this family have 19 children than some strung out junkie getting knocked up and giving birth to a future criminal of America.

In my high school there was a family with 15 children.  The father was a successful doctor, so they received no finanical aid from the government.  EVERY SINGLE ONE of those children (all 15) received no less than a Master's degree.  They are all doctors, lawyer, CPAs, professors, etc.  That is family that should have had 20 children.


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