Roger Clemens licks his lips. But does that mean he’s lying?

Posted on Wednesday, February 13, 2008 8:23 PM PT
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Baseball hero Roger Clemens swore under oath during a grueling Congressional hearing Wednesday that he didn’t use steroids during his phenomenal baseball career. “I’ve been accused of something I’m not guilty of,” he defiantly told committee members. His words may have denied the claims by his former personal trainer, but his body was saying something else. At least that’s what one body language expert thinks.

During the 4½-hour hearing, Clemens was agitated, he didn’t make direct eye contact with the committee members and he even stumbled over the name of Brian McNamee, his chief accuser.

“The body doesn’t lie, the voice doesn’t lie,” Lillian Glass told NBC’s Peter Alexander Wednesday during the hearings. “When you look at Roger Clemens, you see a lot of lip licking… It’s very consistent. He’s very nervous….You see a lot of wrinkling of the forehead. He looks down. He’s disconnected. That makes you question what’s really going on with him.”

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Former New York Yankee pitcher Roger Clemens couldn't keep his tongue in his mouth while testifying before Congress.

Glass was all praise for McNamee, who sat at the same table.

“McNamee was forward. He was ready. He was receptive … not defensive. He looked right at the people who were questioning him. He wasn’t nervous.” WATCH THE VIDEO

Glass claims that when people are lying they move their shoulders, clench their jaws, lick their lips and shuffle their feet.

But does showing anxiety really go hand-in-hand with lying? It’s popular to talk about a person’s shifty eyes or to assume that when someone is fidgety or nervous that they’re not telling the truth. Dr. Simon Rego, licensed clinical psychologist at Montefiore Medical Center in New York isn’t so sure.

“Certain movements or gestures like those may be more of an indication of anxiety or nervousness than lying per se,” says Rego. “This type of lie detection seems analogous to polygraph tests. They don’t really detect when someone is lying as much as when they are anxious.”

Other experts say that tone of voice is more revealing than eye contact, although people who are telling the truth often stumble over their words. It’s the practiced liar who tends to be the smooth talker, they say.

No one would accuse Clemens of being a smooth talker under questioning. His career is on the line, and as he said during the hearing, “I’m never going to have my name restored.”

Still, it’s not only the body language experts who didn’t believe Clemens. Just 1 in 5 msnbc.com readers think the Rocket is telling the truth.

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If you watch Clemens' 60 Minutes interview it seemed obvious he was lying too. His eyes were blinking at a million miles per minute and his anger seemed contrived.
Clemens was an athletically gifted pitcher throughout his career. And yet his dominance on the mound was never enough for him. He pitched to hit, threw at batters' heads and, of course, there was the Piazza incident. In short, he was as dirty a baseball player as baseball players can be. No surprise he went for a chemical edge as well. And no surprise he would deny his wrong doings. Clemens is, was and will forever be a jerk, a liar, a cheat and a dishonest person. His lying to congress should be rewarded with jail time.
The lip licking was very obvious from the get-go and the more I watched the creepier it got. Obviously lying because his body was hunched away from the Congressman, his eyes were constantly flicking down to the table, and the tongue... Creepy!
Is it just possible that the trainer gave Roger steroids without his knowledge or approval thinking it would enhance his status as a super sucessful trainer. If so they could both be right to thier own beliefs. Except fot the deal with Andy Pettit ??????                          
im tired of all the "he said/he said" business, though i understand your need to make all you can on this story. what are the DNA results from the syringes?
I believe Clemens is an overgrown kid who got caught with his hands in the cookie jar.
I find this hearing to be very revealing not only on Clemens but also on how the two aisles in Washington govern. There definitely was a red state blue state divide. The Republicans must have gotten some free autographed pictures, baseballs, etc., the way they defended Clemens, i.e by attacking McNamee.  On the flipside while the Democrats now have someone who has perjured themselved infront of Congress (i.e. Clemens is lying through his teeth - if 2 body language experts "see" these gestures with Clemens peformance and likewise grade McNamee as clean, c'mon, especially if you add Pettittes testimony, Clemens wife used and not the least consider what gain at this point does McNamee have from lying to congress..he's not going to the Hall of Fame or has made millions from endorsements, etc.  He'll be lucky if he could get a job selling cars after this.)

Are they going to act on it?..No because they are fearful of bad press and how this will look or rather how this will affect them in the re-election rather than take a stance. Or it is a waste of congresses time. It is unfortunate that Clemens got himself into this mess, but he didn't have to lie.  What precedent does this set, if he is not punished?  
I think he's telling the truth. With Barry Bonds, you could see him go from David Banner to the Incredible Hulk over the space of about a year; Clemens, as shown in the peculiar montage of his various uniforms over the years, has been consistent in his appearance.

I've met congressmen, and I get nervous when I'm NOT under oath, and haven't been accused of something heinous.  In a situation like this, I'd be less likely to believe the person who looked calm and rehearsed.
Bunch of crap. If you are a man and you screw up, you own up to it. Take your lumps and move on with your life. If you want to play this kind of game then the rocket needs to have it's flame extinguished. Do not, repeat, do not try to bring your juiced butt in to my living room again.
IT ALL MAKES SENCE NOW. THIS IS WHY DA BELOVED CUBS HAVENT WON THE WORLD SERIES YET!!!
I believe Clemens took HGH, McNamee, also claims that Pettite and Knaublack took HGH, they admitted they took the drugs, and gave sworn affidavit that Clemens did take HGH; if Clemens did not take HGH why should he be nervous, he should not be concern, if he's nervous it's because he's worried that the truth will come out. Clemens is doing the same thing Marion jones did, and for the same reason, reputation.
I watched the entire hearing on MSNBC and got the feeling that Mr. Clemens was nervous but honest. I believe that anyone who was sitting beside a liar, trying to prove a negative, and trying to control the anger that Mr. Clemens must have felt, would have exhibited the same body language. Ask any law enforcement officer who has talked with a liar and I'm sure they will tell you that McNamee looked like a million other liars they have interviewed.
Schaudenfreud is an powerful intoxicant.
HE'S GUILTY, GUILTY, GUILTY
HE'S GUILTY, GUILTY, GUILTY
Roger Clemons has to be telling the truth.  Why? would he put hisself in a position to go to jail.  When the Committee gave him an out!  The out was they would write a report and he did not have to go in front of the Committee.  But, Clemons insisted to be heard in front of the world.  A man given an out, would have taken it if he was lying.  Mcnamee, did not have that choice.  Would he have taken it?
It's amazing that someone can assert that he is lying because of his body language. Of course he is nervous - he is being accused of perjury because someone who made a deal with the government has accused him. Excuse me, but if you make a deal your testimony immediately should become inadmissible - you are effectively getting paid to testify.

PS We have a right to control our own bodies - what we eat, drink, what drugs we take. The idea that some drugs are good and some are bad is cultural, and the number of people killed each year by prescription and over the counter drugs far outnumbers any deaths by illegal drugs - why is it alright for people to take huge risks with legal drug side effects? Because they have a right to decide what risks are worth taking. I can go home, watch ads for energy drinks, drugs to put me to sleep, lose weight, relax me, and on and on. But some baseball players "cheated"? I don't think so.
Lying... it has become so common place anymore, it's practically acceptable conduct in our society today. Particularly if that person is a celebrity or athletic star. We have a President that lies right to our faces and they say, "It's just politics"; athletes that make unbelievable amounts of cash by cheating with performance enhancing drugs; business CEO's do everything that they can to gain another 1-5% rise in profits, even if it's detrimental to their country and fellow man; Rap "gangsters" rap about raping and "hoeing" women, killing cops and innocents; etc. I just don't understand when our morals got so screwed up. I'm not a holier than thou bible thumper, but I was taught by my parents the differece between "right and wrong". I have strayed a few times in life and felt shame.
Maybe that's the two keys. Parents have absconced their duty to teach their children those values... and thus those children now have no shame.  
Clemens is just hoping that this just all goes away. (Kinda like spygate with the Patriots). He has chosen the wrong direction just like Pete Rose did with betting on baseball. He should of opened up with the truth. The reason this is so important is of all the kids that idolize him. (If THE Roger does it, it's ok for me)

If Pete Rose had been honest, he would be in the Hall Of Fame now. Ditto for Roger in the future, he is on the slippery slope to ignominy.
The point of the Mitchell Report was to investigate and document the use of illegal performance enhancing drugs in professional baseball.  I doubt anyone was suprised that Mitchell's team produced compelling evidence supporting the claims of rampant use.  So what was the point?  Was it for the health of future MLB hopefuls?  Was it to protect the "integrity" of the game (does that term even apply in show business)?  Was it to emphasize the unfairness of hallowed records falling to known cheats?

I don't know the answer.  Those of us who followed the game are probably still going to follow the game.  We'll still wear our team shirts and overpay for hotdogs and beer.

I tried to keep an open mind about Roger Clemens, but he seemed so nervous and evasive during the hearing that his testimony is difficult to believe.  I find myself hoping that he really is lying, because I can't imagine what it would be like for someone who worked at his craft as long and hard as Clemens has to live with being falsely accused.

I hope the truth comes out and that it has a positive impact on the sport.



You idiot.  Clemens has everything to lose and the liar has nothing to lose.  Who wouldnt be nervous in front of congress?
i get nervous under questioning, and can even forget my own name under the same circumstances.  Roger said he wasn't born with a silver spoon in his mouth.  There is the voice inside of you that says you didn't deserve the fame you got and you are NOT good enough and this is what you get.  

I get nervous coming through security at the airport. Why?  Who knows?

Roger stood up for his friend during the hearing and I thought he was telling the truth.  I thought McNamee was a disgrace.  I've known other police officers that push drugs. They are despicable. God Damn the pusher man!
Rojer Clemens should have all things stripped away
from him just like Marion Jones. There needs to be no partiality shown.









Its difficult to pick the liar and there obviously is one. What I cannot find is a Macnamee motive to lie. Macnamee sticks to his story, does not waver. Clemens on the other hand tended to bend his story depending on the question. The luncheon that Macnamee says Clemens attended and Clemens denies attending. Clemens and his lawyers decided to use this event to go after Macnamees credibility. But then Clemens who initially denied ever being there suddenly changed his story to "well I might have dropped by dropping off my wife or brother-in-law after playing golf" he couldnt really remember. This change when the Clemens nanny, who was at the luncheon, may have stated that she saw him there. The more I think about it I think Clemens is in some trouble.
You have to believe a whole lot to think Roger is telling the truth.

It's a sad commentary on our Congress, however, that they would rather spend their time constructing a nationally televised perjury trap for Roger, betting correctly that his oversized ego would not allow him to admit the truth, just so that they can pander to the paparazzi media that is following this story until the national attention turns back to Britney Spears.

Clemens is human, he is caught in a lie about HGH and steroids, but Congress should not be complicit in turning that into a criminal activity.

Now some young Justice Department hotshot is going to launch his political career by prosecuting Roger for perjury.

Meanwhile, we aren't solving the immigration problem, our energy problem, the looming Social Security problem, or our national security problems.

Shame on Congress.  Waxman and his colleagues on that committee (both sides of the aisle, except those who obviously protested the misuse of congressional attention on this matter) should all be rounded up and sent to the front lines in Baghdad and handed a gun and whatever body armor they can scrounge up.
I'm just saying...do you think its a possibility that this whole thing is a conspiracy against Clemens because the African American community is crying racism about the "injustice" being done to Barry Bonds?  Then you have the Michael Vick debacle, in which they suggest if Brett Favre was caught dog fighting, he would only get a slap on the wrist.

I'm just saying...during an election year, you don't think the Democrats are trying to sway the African American vote by putting a white superstar through the same ropes as Bonds and Vick???  

Innocent until proven guilty my friends...it's what makes our country so great!

Oh, and to save tax payer dollars, just make them all drop their pants...its a quick way to tell if they are on the juice!
guilty as charged
Mr. Clemens asked for the hearing.  Would he take a chance of lying to the nation on national tv if he was lying?  Body language "experts" are like mind readers, they can say whatever suits the occasion and some believe it!  I only know that Mc was lying, he admitted it.  So sorry that the questions from the panel were along party lines.  Am I so niave to believe that it wouldn't be?
McNamee is a low-life drug pusher.
Clemens is a liar.
Waxman is worse than both,using this sad story to promote an otherwise undistinguished political agenda--a real parasite.
what kind of person keeps syringes?? then tell me
what kind of person keeps GOLF RECEIPTS????  OMG....
how many of us have golf receipts to prove we werent somewhere so many years ago...funny how he found that...
and then "he may of stopped in" rather than "I was never there" and for the good rep shays....if Macnamee is a drug dealer...
why didnt you accuse Pettite's dad of the same thing on national television....since he also supplied "drugs" that were not legal....hope a lot of these guys are up for re election this year.....
Who really cares? You can take all the drugs in the world and they won't help one iota if you aren't already a talented player. It's also clear that it is a norm for ALL athletes to do this stuff. Let THEM decide if they want to ruin their bodies and let them do it openly instead of hiding it. We let people kill themselves with cigarettes and they don't even make more money to do it... what's the difference?
Ooooooh Roger, lol! You really screwed the pooch on this one! But make no mistake all you good people out there watching this baseball folly..... the ground work is being layed to guiltlessly go after Barry Bonds. Baseball....the most boring sport on the planet, needs it's owners, marketing guru's, and everyone else who's job it is to package this "America's Pastime" to be on performance enhancing drugs themselves.
My verdict?  DEFINITELY GUILTY! While neither of the 2 accusers come off as being angels, Mcnamee comes across as more believable of the two.  McNamee has nothing else to lose, his future as a trainer is gone- now he's trying to save his reputation, his name.  The fact that both Pettite and Knoublagh both admitted they used practically seals the deal.  clemens is just another self entitled, huge ego athlete.  He says he's not worried about the Hall of Fame- the fact that he went before Congress tells us something different.
I hope its a long time before his ballet is even considered.  
I don't watch professional sports (big business entertainment), so I could care less about Clemens. What burns me is that our Congress is spending time on this trivial issue when they should be at work doing their jobs and solving our country's problems. What a waste of their time and my tax dollars!
One is a bum.  The other appears to be a liar.  So what.  It is a similar profile as Congress and the White House.  Congress should be spending our money on far more relevant concerns of state.
He is a lying sack of pompousness. He believes he is above the law, a god in his own right. His persona and godliness will swing from a tree just like Barry Bonds. He is over, a hack, has-been, and worse than all that. A LIAR. NO one likes a LIAR. Admit it coward. McNamee has nothing to lose, why would he lie? It is the rocket who did the HGH. Look at his huge balding head for pete's sake.
Perhaps I have missed something.  Why does Congress care about Baseball?  We are actually using taxpayer money to find out if someone who participated in less than 20% of the games played by his team was injected with steroids by someone other than a licensed physician.  I am sorry, why do I care?  There is no purity of sport, not now, not ever.  The Olympics has seen its share of scandals, the NCAA regularly sanctions its members for rules violations that are laughable (the coach giving an athlete a ride home from practice).  Isn't it possible that our rule dominated society is too eager to excoriate those who fail to abide by a regulation.  The real joy is not whether the person broke a rule or the law, but whether they will admit it under oath.  I am not saying I believe or don't believe Mr. Clemens, I just don't think Congress should care.  Don't we have some roads that need fixing, or bridges to replace?  How about an investigation of why Soccer is so boring to watch...
Too much ado about nothing and Congress has more important matters about the economy to worry about than steroids' use.  I love the game of baseball - the long homeruns, the no-hit games, the strike-outs, the lopsided scores - the superstar players.  The League will police itself after this congressional dog-and-pony show, and I will still admire those unforgettable baseball moments I recorded from McGuire, SAMMY SOSA, CANSECO AND ROCKET'S pitching .
I believe that Major League Baseball is a business and should run their own business, I also don't think Congress has any business whatsoever taking up the time to deal with whether or not some highly paid entertainer does or doesn't take steroids.  Congress needs to tend to the economy, war, etc. and let baseball deal with its problems.  Who put Congress in charge of steroid abuse in the first place????
What about the wife being administered a shot of HGH by McNamee because she was told it made you "youthful"?? EEEWWW, I just know that Clemens house was a virtual den of HGH!
Why would Clemens put himself in that position? Because like Barry Bonds and Marion Jones, he is arrogant and things his sports prowess can get him out of anything. They all do the same thing, lie, lie, lie and finally confess.
If any consideration is given to Roger Clemens re: a presidential pardon if he is found guilty, I would hope that the same would be extended to Marion Jones, whom I believe got a raw deal when compared with convictions and sentences of others who committed far greater indiscretions, and considering not being with her infant during those most important formative years.
Can't they just yank a hair and do some drug testing? Seems to me we are spending more time on this ridiculous notion of baseball players using drugs. So what?! I am going to care a lot less about baseball when we aren't able to play due to drastic climatic changes when our polar ice caps are gone. Pick your battles people.
I don't see what the big deal is.  Everybody knew that those athletes have been using performance enhacing drugs for years.  It might make you stronger, faster, etc......., but it doesn't help your hand/eye coordination and that's one of the most important attributes in Baseball.  All of these investigations are a big waste of time and taxpayer money.  I could care less if Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, or any other MLB player took performance enhancing drugs.            
AND WE CARE WHY??????  Congress needs to get back to work and fix what is wrong with our country...social security, illegal immigration, unemployment, war.....instead of worrying what overgrown boys masquerading as men making obscene amounts of money (yes, I'm jealous!)playing a child's game inject into their body.  PUH-LEASE!  Spend my tax dollars on something that MATTERS!
Clemens is guilty, he took HGH to throw faster.....so Bonds is guilty he took HGH to hit the doped up fastball that Clemens an others HGH created, it is a wash. Marion Jones went to jail for doping, why should Clemens get off free? I do think it is political, this is a good old boys club that beleives you can break as many laws as you would like as long the Majority is in power to save your skin as long as that skin is not too dark, Palmeiro just got by free and clear and probably would not have if the Republicans did not need the Latino vote. Why was the Media so fast to condemn Barry Bonds and Marion Jones but when the HGH and Steroid use of Palmeiro or Roger Clemens is brought up then it is said the Goverment is wrong to pursue this?? Let be fair and judge fairly. Either way HGH can't make you throw a baseball straight or with a curve or hit a baseball for that matter.
Even the Republicans KNEW he was guilty!!!!
Thats why one brought up the "bond" between players and trainers. ie...The clubhouse is sacred. And Shay attacking McNamee as a "drug dealer" would have been legit if he had also accused Pettitte and Knoblauch (sp?) of being sorry ass "drug users", but that didn't happen.
Roger Clemens should not be considere for Hall Of
Fame award.In fact he shoudn't even be considered.
Robert Tobin Rocky Hill CT.
Clemens lied because he got a phone call from the elder Geo Bush assuring him (Clemens) that he'd be pardoned.
He is going to get pardoned by Bush and he knows it. Else, he will he be the first person in history, in the end, to be found not lying about it.  That and Bonds didn't do it either.

PARDON


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